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Stegiel's avatar

A post, a powerful post, a good start laid to ask your question. "Are we living in the world that was designed for us, or is something far stranger at play?" And the answer is yes. John B. S. Haldane famously said "My own suspicion is that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose." Ok this is where we are always as living beings. In the middle of queerness and the strange thanks to existence on the third stone from the sun. Terence McKenna argues that culture and ideology limit human potential, while psychedelic experiences offer a path to expanded consciousness and connection with nature. He sees the universe as evolving towards increasing novelty and complexity, with human society at a critical juncture. McKenna criticizes modern values and institutions, advocating for a return to shamanic practices and plant-based wisdom. He believes psychedelics can rapidly induce the radical shift in perspective needed to address global challenges and unlock humanity’s true potential in (Text sourced from https://www.organism.earth/library/document/culture-and-ideology-are-not-your-friends) an accelerating world of technological change.

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Dr. David Thor's avatar

Stegiel, it's me, David. What the heck are you doing down here in this basement? I found this video to be pretty persuasive. You know me, I'm always lost, so I don't even know who the person is. Maybe Bodhisatva, maybe 'me too', maybe someone else. By the time I go up there to look I'll lose this comment. Anyway, I found it very persuasive and started thinking about writing a novel based on all this. I remember quite clearly talking to an old virgin named Miss Milden. We talked several times in 1963, and she was a hundred so would have remembered Marlboro Massachusetts in the late 1860s. If she had done the same and chatted at age five to someone in 1868 who was the same age, they'd have remembered before the revolutionary war. So just me and two people = America. I'll have to find this guy's earlier vids to see what sort of creatures built these buildings. My PhD was basically on Massachusetts in 1637, and I remember thinking I was the number two expert in the world on that at the time, although I also was joking a bit as I sensed how little I knew. Now I seem to know even less! A good novel title would be Train. Get it, as in training the kids?

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Stegiel's avatar

I knew an Odd Fellow. He thought since the local lodge was more hipster, casual labor sorts, I might like it. Not having any interest in dress up or really the ideation behind the public face I attended with my spouse who naturally thought how fun. Lucky I talked her out of interest. I did not know though until the article how many important personages were not Masons but Odd Fellows. Odd. Now in saying this I wonder if it was due as well to the fact the lodge recreation was drinking from the lodge bar. Had they been night tokers with bags of bud (illegal still in that hour) I may well have inclined to benefit of doubt.

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Dr. David Thor's avatar

That's a good Odd story, though I might be able to top it. I think it was in this person's video, whatever their name is, that I saw my analyst's castle in Toronto flicking by. For seven years twice a week I would fight my way across Toronto to do psychoanalysis in the Odd Fellows Hall at the corner of Yonge and College. And when I say fight, I literally mean fight. I would start out on my longboard with my nine-foot cedar tree and when I'd see a big bad guy doing something mildly bad I'd call out about how I slept with his mother and I'd throw down my tree and leap forward. Then we'd have a scene, and after he'd back down I'd make my way to Odd Fellows, roll onto the couch, and describe the scene. I had the kind of analysis where the analyst doesn't talk. So for seven years I spun my tales. We were two middle-aged guys in a room in a nearly abandoned Odd Fellows, and my endless stories were getting lofted out into the atmosphere of the Odd. Think that's not interesting enough? My analyst had the exact same name and title as my brother, Dr. Clive Tho....not going to put the last bit here into the state diary.

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Stegiel's avatar

I think this is great stuff even for a novella. Only thing funnier would be if you toosed in Odd Fellows jagon and mummery in a few scenes even if only in the head of a character. “Most Worshipful Analyst” or some such. Have them act out some odd fellows ritual strictly from the analytic practice structure. Joseph Heller could be a comedic inspiration.

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Katie's avatar

Wow! Remarkable research. Reading your stack here, makes me wonder whether there is anything that was not affected by these weird cults. Cults have run the world as we know it for a very long time. It is utterly creepy. They want to warp everyone. One way to free ourselves of the influence is to uncover it. Stellar job.

I wonder if some of the "orphans" were children born to unwed mothers. They were often urged to give the babies up. For adoption, they said, often run by religious organizations,

When driving and entering a town, you will sometimes see a sign with different "clubs" and their symbols. Kiwanis is one, and Odd Fellows is another, that I always wondered about.

Someone gifted me the book "Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell" but I didn't care for it, too strange, lol. Also, what came to mind was the song "Love is Strange" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mvN05MSa48. To me, it's an odd song, a bit unpleasant, I've always thought.

An added note about buildings I ran across on Agent131711’s Substack. Wondering how they built the magnificent buildings of the past and fires destroying a lot of buildings places of the mid 1800's. He asks some interesting questions. The end is for paid subs only and so I couldn't read it. When I saw this it reminded me of the Masonic buildings in many small towns.

https://chemtrails.substack.com/p/fires-to-erase-history-remnants-of

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Me Stuff's avatar

Thank you for the links and for reading. :)

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

MeStuff post here includes reference to babies being taken from "unmarried parents".

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Katie's avatar

Most women of previous generations were shamed into it. How horrible. I don’t think the fathers were in the picture. Or if women were so poor they could not care for the baby. Or in poor mental or physical health, on and on.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Note the connection with the UN.

That young folk get to go to the UN in New York.

Still happening with a friend's young bright girl getting to have a year at the UN NY as some sort of intern.

What a proud mother she has.

What can one say.

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Dr. David Thor's avatar

Are you Bodhi, Betty, Me Stuff? I'm lost as usual, but I would like to find if there's prequel to this, so to speak, that talks about who built these crazy-large buildings.

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Me Stuff's avatar

That's me. :) This is the first I have written on this but I know there is a ton of research out there on this and who built the large and often very intricate and ornate building throughout the world.

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Dr. David Thor's avatar

orphan train...as in training orphans

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Dr. David Thor's avatar

50:52 "underground operation"...a sort of twisted version of "underground railroad"

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Jerome Armstrong's avatar

My goodness, terrific post. I think if you delve into a city just about anywhere, you will find this sort of hidden history of erasure and revision. I have in Calcutta, India. There's a guy on YT that has been posting on New Orleans, and his general conclusions are very insightful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aerQ9ayWyNM&list=PPSV&ab_channel=EverythingInsideMe

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